Posted on December 25, 2013 by Robert Groves. The purpose of the post is to help as many people as possible so if your website will allow more people to see it, I'm all for it. One could compute the average grade point: (5 x 0.17 + 4.5 x 0.08 + 4 x 0.14 + 3.5 x 0.13 + 3 x 0.13 + 2.5 x 0.15 + 2 x 0.15 + 1 x 0.05). AY17/18 Sem 1 CS2103T - CS2101 - CG2271 - EE2020 - EG2301 - GEQ1000 CS2103T Software Engineering Difficulty: Hard Grade Obtained: B+ Lecturers: Prof Damith This is a 4MC core module for CEG students so there's no escaping this. The style of learning is primarily lecturer driven, and secondarily personally driven. My point is that allowing grades to not be moderated (even though it may lead to our benefit) would actually give us more incentive to learn as we know the grade we receive is a fair reflection of our effort and knowledge at the end of the course, not how many people we manage to “beat” and how many we “lost” to. or do we look at the percentage of our grade? Brainy STEM graduates left their school with four out of the five lowest grade point averages. A YST student could probably sleep through Science of Music and get an A+. Flexibility and stability are directly contradictory. I am also guilty of that to a certain extent. Simply speaking, there was no margin of error. Like any job in the civil service, really. In this final scenario, the resulting cut-off marks for each grade after moderation are rather low. The bell curve system itself is a good system, but also imbalanced system. So Computer Engineer students need to put in a lot more time and also effort in mugging and practising exam questions. So to repeat myself, the bell curve occurs naturally. There has been much ado about the bell curve system NUS utilises for examination grades. To attain a good grade, the individual must do better than his or her counterparts. And I do hope that that level will be when the administration realizes that equally excellent work is being penalized just for the sake of the bell curve. Do not worry too much, more often than not, we err on helping students along. Students have complained that it heaps unnecessary pressure upon them to outperform their peers. The bell curve grading system, unfortunately, seems to promote a zero-sum game. That said, an absolute system may merit consideration in a case where the modules are fixed in a syllabus, since in that particular scenario inflation and deflation will be of little impact since the entire cohort against whom the student will be scored will experience the same effects at the same time.  Higher-level modules with small enrolments typically grade a student based on his absolute performance; larger lower-level modules take into account a student’s performance vis-à-vis the other students in the same module. Where necessary, the final grade which a student receives for a module may be subject to moderation. Reference: Provost’s blog on the Bell Curve That’s all the heuristics I would provide. Blog.nus is brought to you by the Centre for Instructional Technology | Terms of Use | Disclaimers. What are not so apparent are the macro-policy … There are some smiliarities. They don’t usually want people to know how they were rated because it causes unhappiness. The Civil Service doesn’t count since they employ everyone, I mean specialised jobs here. The Bell Curve. I got a Grade B in my appraisal but I heard that 80 per cent of us got C grade in ranking and I also did not voice out. That is also a kind of ‘Honours interview’ as well to prove the student’s worth as an Honours student and which class he deserves to graduate with. If I recall correctly, we had Engineering, Chem and Pharmacy students all taking it together and marked ostensibly under the same bell curve. Article 2 sources from the blog by NUS provost on "understanding how NUS applies the Bell Curve". I do agree with you that if approached from content angle, having a heavily deflated curve might deter people from registering for that module. Students’ Conceptions of Bell Curve Grading Fairness in Relation to Goal Orientation and Motivation. If I don’t know how to do the tutorial then my participation would be very low and therefore I would lose out more. Furthermore, we cannot S/U Core modules, while GEMs and SS can be S/Ued up to 3 times. I do not believe the university ignores the signals either. 1) There is NO TRANSPARENCY in the way grading is done, which is why students don’t like it. But as fee paying student, at least you can be more vocal about it but I strongly hope that you don’t carry this ‘questioning’ attitude at work… Most bosses don’t like subordinates who challenge their authority or clash with them directly…. Macro-policy will always feel distant from the individual thinking because the human brain is not naturally built to think beyond a couple of persons. O Level Bell Curve Discussion. But with no curve, I would have gotten A- since a 90 would be an A if theres no curve in those classes. In simple terms, the bell curve makes all grading relative, and pits us in competition with our fellow peers. Join Date: Oct 2005. In simple terms, the bell curve makes all grading relative, and pits us in competition with our fellow peers. This would also be a very good source of feedback to the lecturers, because currently the only way they get feedback on their teaching is from students. In addition, on that point, deflation and inflation create some highly negative effects, such as certain modules being abandoned, and some others being oversubscribed. After all, only a few students will receive the letter grade of an A. Hi, I would like to humbly propose a different bell curve for small/medium-sized classes (eg. (n=600 (huge class)), P’=25%, which reduces back to the current status quo. I took a management module during my 1st year (MNO 1001) and one of the topic touches on how a perception of fair reward would positively affect one’s performance. Due to the stress of peer competition we have blamed final exams and demanded more continual assessment. A Bell Curve will calculate grades based on the amount of standard deviations from the mean average. For one, peer-to-peer learning is highly restricted to being done only within cliques in most cases I know of. According to information available on the NUS law faculty's website, its students are graded differently. In fact, seemingly a lot of us are coming for a module for grades. All grades are carefully scrutinized by Department and Faculty Boards of Examiners before they are submitted to the Board of Undergraduate Studies and the Board of Graduate Studies for approval. Shouldn’t understanding the concepts be as important, if not critical as well? What I mean here is that, this results in clusters of groups of students in NUS competing in the same bell curve, over and over again. In addition, the students who were in an inflated module would have an unfair edge in upping honours class, while those who were in the deflated ones will be unfairly penalised. From the short amount of information you wrote you were almost definitely employed in the military, nearly nobody else uses the term “ranking”. Then, thanks to the system, I also put myself in disadvantages, as I am judged by how high my CAP is, and what honor class I have. I think this article has the potential to be useful, but it is currently in very bad shape. This is an obvious strain on our structural facilities. Any other grades are scaled between these two points. Not everyone needs a honours graduate to fulfill a role, provided a non-honours graduate can perform equally well in the required job scope with a lower expected pay. Making all forms of traditional group assessment such as practicals and projects mandatorily randomised to ensure students get the maximum chance to interact with people with whom they have not yet worked. When it used to be that having a degree was a differentiating factor when finding a job, now it seems not enough as the Provost had contemplated in his last post on graduates needing to “sell” themselves better. While this is not relevant for careers which use work experience and testimonials after the first job, it may result in problems for those careers that care too much about honours class. IVLE forums to be created BY DEFAULT for every module, every semester, with all students given the ability to post, and to create new topics. However, if you notice, CA is also usually moderated, in the end making little difference in raising the grades for all. I would believe the bell curve system to be justified when we are dealing with modules with the following characteristics: 1. I should mention that there’s another issue related to the bell curve, though it wouldn’t go away completely even if an absolute system was used. I was already applying economics principles to daily living at the time. If anyone notices, due to the increased traffic and heavy vehicle (shuttle buses…) frequency around NUS, our poor single lane two-way roads have been growing pot-holes just as fast as they can be patched up. This is important not only to the student being assessed, but to the reputation of the university as well. Once you worked in an office with only 3 people, every cough and fart is annoying because it is so small. I tried accessing the source blog but wasn't able to even after creating an nus blog account :(. L ynette TAN Yuen Ling. Therefore the MOE policy to increase the teacher-student ratio in schools. It is also a good gauge of the caliber of a student for both employers and faculty should the student wish to apply for specific courses which only accept the best. From an individual perspective, the bell-curve obviously means you are competing with your fellow peers and as a result, there will always be some who fall into a lower percentile and get lower grades. First, the grade profiles for individual modules are examined and compared at the Department level, and then across Departments at the Faculty level. So here's one more that should be useful to you if you're a student or soon-to-be student. If I appear to be heavily opinionated, it’s because grading policy is one of the things that would directly affect us as a student and as such I am heavily invested in the topic. The modules I took had average grades of B- and B+. That is actually why I prefer modules that skews more on CA in terms of mark distribution. The Straits Times reported on the bell curve grading system in national examinations in Singapore.ST noted that of the six autonomous universities, only the National University of Singapore (NUS) and Nanyang Technological University (NTU) still moderate results using a bell curve for certain modules. Smaller cohorts will allow the teaching to be adjusted better as well as better assist slower students. 1) “First, the class size must be large enough, preferably above 30. (just for comparison sake), ——— For a more detailed post with examples and technical explanations, please refer to the NUS Provost’s blogpost on how NUS applies the bell curve. Saved by JOe Chavarria. In NUS, this guideline means that for modules where the enrolment is less than 30 students, the bell curve grading system is usually not applied and the professor awards grades based on absolute performance or their discretion. Its chance of occurrence will, of course, be the chance of such an exceptional batch occurring, which is very small. Of the six autonomous universities, only the National University of Singapore (NUS) and Nanyang Technological University (NTU) still moderate results using a bell curve for certain modules. Differentiation is necessary for CAP purposes, and for Honours classification, and these are here to stay for the foreseeable future. In Business Faculty, it is apparent that Finance is the specialization of choice for most high CAP students, for interest, pragmatic reasons or otherwise. The university can get so much more done, and students learn in so much less time, if assessments were not required by society, but that is something that cannot be changed at this point in time. Similarly, using LSM1401 Fundamentals of Biochemistry as an example, students from different majors taking a module under the same module code has a major issue. If I understand 12 topics out of 15 and the 3 I didn’t get were tested, I would score lower than someone who only understood the very 3 that were tested, as a hypothetical example. Even if the grades are fixed, for learning’s sake there would certainly be an improvement if the marked papers were released to us. This “small class” effect has great effects on people who major in a subject with a small and selective cohort. 1 National University of Singapore 2 Singapore Management University 3 Seoul National University. Define a multiplier K:=log(600)/log(n), where n is the number of students in the class (n>=30). The paper was too easy, that when I stepped out of the examination hall, I was too afraid. 1, Wee Ling LOO. Not more than 5%. However, many students still feel that they have been disadvantaged by the bell curve. A bell curve is a graph depicting the normal distribution, which has a shape reminiscent of a bell. Male students are more likely to bail because of grades than would-be women STEM majors. From what I see, bell curve grading removes the DC content of the cohort score, so information regarding the quality of the cohort is discarded. 3) Bell curve systems with forced quota makes the entire education system in NUS a zero sum game. “The bell curve system reduces social cooperation and trust among students. Apr 17, 2015 - The Bell Curve | The NUS Provost Contemplates -- Ugh, the Bell Curve! Most of us are familiar with the concept of a curve: it means grades must fall along a predetermined distribution.In a true curve-graded class, the exact number of As, Bs, Cs etc. An SDE student should generally find a SSD module easier than a Computing student would. However, I can still talk at length about the content of MNO1001 rather than another module for which I scored B+ but can’t even remember the module code. The president of the National University of Singapore (NUS), Professor Tan, explained bell curve grading in a public blog “as a tool to moderate grades, and as a guide to prevent grade inflation … My thought on this is to actually try to compensate for this grade-oriented mindset, by making the modules more interesting and compelling to the students, so that when they finish, they actually feel that they learned something valuable and keep trying harder, even if their grades are not high. ST noted that of the six autonomous universities, only the National University of Singapore (NUS) and Nanyang Technological University (NTU) still moderate results using a bell curve for certain modules. Grading on a curve is a term that describes a variety of different methods that a teacher uses to adjust the scores her students received on a test in some way. From my understanding, several mid-terms assessment have been changed to online quizzes or other CA components have been increased in terms of their weight-age in the overall grading. Hence, an A from a Physics module may not be “equivalent” or “equivalently difficult to get” as, say, an A from a Arts module. And the military is ESPECIALLY inflexible, due to its function. Take Living with Math – a very popular GEM-A module, for example: the course is extremely easy and everyone with good understanding in Math will be able to score >95% of the content. Its a valid argument that CA should be a balanced component of grading but I do not like it when things like active participation through forum dicussion come about or required asking questions in tutorial; basically using poorly-thought out methods as CA components. In a huge class (~600 people), being the top 100 to 150 would more than suffice. Samuel: In the end, not only are the structural resources like our buildings more heavily taxed, the human resources that are the academic staff are also stretched out in an effort to increase module intake. What is good for everyone isn’t necessarily the best for the individual and vice versa. Some professors are well known among students to be extremely good in teaching, and I think it would be great if all the professors could learn from one another. sorry, i’m a first year trying to make sense of my midterms grades … Once you make it through your 1L year, the curve will change for your 2L and 3L year. It creates an unhealthy environment where many students are afraid to help one another because they are worried it will hurt their chances of getting an ‘A’,” says former NTU student, Jeraldine Phneah. This would unfairly sabotage the Eng students taking it relative to their peers because the A percentage of the bell curve has effectively been removed from them already. In the next scenario, the resulting cut-off marks for each grade after moderation, are moderate. For course with high quality students (look at admission IGP), is it fair to use the same grade system to judge them? Students allegedly need more than 90 marks to secure an A1 for E Maths (Elementary Maths) at the O Levels. I must emphasize that the recommended grade distribution is not applied blindly, and there are ample opportunities, within reason, for discretion and flexibility. I am almost graduating, and from personal experience, it is much more difficult to score (in the bell curve) in a small-medium class than a huge class. Situation: … Master Member . I did eventually get admitted to an Ivy for graduate school, and had to explain at length to the admissions director why my GPA was “low” (i.e. I believe that this is as such in many computational modules (taking MA1505/1506 for example) in NUS. 3, and Mark Gan. The maximal percentage of ‘A’s should then be multiplied by this multiplier. Post navigation ← It Takes a City. Computer Engineering students compete in the same CS classes as the CS majors, who will naturally (not necessary by hard work) be more proficient in CS because they have more CS modules and hence more CS practice and experience. Another example: for Honours classes comprising students with an average CAP of at least 3.5, the grade distribution will be skewed higher. Quote from my favorite academic staff (who take care of every batches of our course for 3 years): “All of you are very bright student, so if possible, I want to give all of you A”. Your email address will not be published. Praying to the bell curve god Photo credits: SGAG. It depends on context: how smart you are, what course you are taking, how good you are with handling stress. This is not to say that this is the function of education. That is, intense rivalry between students of the same cohort on the same major in several instances. I humbly propose the following formula. For those unfamiliar with the local university grading system, results are awarded by placing everyone taking the same examination paper on a bell curve. I do recognize that one-off testing is really not a good way to evaluate a student’s progress, especially if it does not encompass all of the materials for that particular module. A Normal Bell Curve calculates a grading curve from a comparison of student results. I believe that them putting the Satisfactory there is in a way partially justified as you have also acknowledged that a grave error was conducted. The bell curve is currently just unfair for CEG students. Bell curve system of performance appraisal is a forced ranking system imposed on the employees by the management. https://jonathansjunkyard.blogspot.com/2019/02/surviving-university-how-to-stay-sane.html, https://jonathansjunkyard.blogspot.com/2018/07/majors-unrestricted-electives-and.html, https://jonathansjunkyard.blogspot.com/search/label/NUS. That said, the reduction should have been in the performance area, instead of conduct, but then the military’s the military. 3) Third, if Professors have strong reasons to deviate from the recommended grade distribution, we are usually amenable to acceding to their requests. I think that cohort sizes should not exceed 200 for year 1 common modules and 100 or less for modules in year 2 onwards. (n=40 (small class) ), P’=47% (around half the class *can* get A) Addendum: "However, we apply the recommended grade distribution with some flexibility and discretion," he said. Another aspect to think about is why do you have such a goal. “The bell curve system reduces social cooperation and trust among students. is set ahead of time and students’ scores must be made to fit into those pre-determined allotments. I still do believe learning should be for its own sake and for the betterment of society, and that this assessment and differentiation role should be just a side effect, for better or for worse. Hi! When it comes to the B s, things become trickier, because that’s where most of us would lie on the bell curve, and the chance of getting Bs across your education in NUS is significantly higher. Some … If we like learning, grades would not matter too much as long as they are reasonably fair. Unlike employees for a company, students are in fact the university’s customers. At NUS most grades are calculated using the Gaussian function, which is informally known as the bell curve. The kind of open exchange of information that is typical of several of the top higher learning institutions in the US, or so I hear, appears to be absent in NUS. What I cannot understand is why is there a need to prevent them? I cite McGill University, where I went on SEP. To my surprise, the transcript had a column ‘average grade’. I realised that most of my readers are students looking for information about undergraduate life. A few years ago, the National University of Singapore (NUS) Provost Office published a blog post attempting to demystify the bell curve grading process. For example, the heights of all students in NUS are likely to be normally distributed. This is so typically of the bureaucratic, non-transparent and selfish nature of Singapore and NUS. Even basic information like what is the percentage of students who can get A-/A/A+ is not released to us. 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